Can You Boycott a Boycott?

by John Mark Walker - Sep. 30, 2009Comments (10)

From the things-that-should-never-happen-but-you-knew-they-would-eventually department, comes more flamage in the Mono advocates vs. anti-Mono advocates vs. the now anti-anti-Mono advocates. I never like it when columnists or reporters treat all bad ideas equally, so I'll just come out and say it - the anti-Mono crowd is comprised of a bunch of corn-fed idiots with more than a passing resemblance to the recent tea bagger protesters. However, I'm not sure that the correct response to that is to ratchet up the flame wars.

 There is now, apparently, a web site, Boycott Boycott-Novell, dedicated to boycotting the "Boycott Novell" site. The argument breaks down thusly:

  • Lots of dedicated FLOSS developers, by way of several years of hard work, have turned Mono into a serious project, with several desktop apps that come installed by default in,  for example, Ubuntu
  • Some vocal minority really resents this because mono is an Open Source implementation of .NET, and we all know what that means - ZOMGIT'STEHMICROSOFT!!!!1111!!!!
  • And now another vocal minority, against their better judgment, have decided to feed the trolls and attract more attention to #2 than it was receiving previously.

I suppose that by even commenting here, I'm focusing more attention on this than it deserves. However, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that some distributions and well-intentioned individuals are actually trying to appease the anti-mono crowd by giving in to some of their demands. This is ridiculous and will only encourage them to continue. I should also note that everyone is free to tailor their Linux distribution as they see fit, and if they don't want Mono-based apps, they have the option of removing it. But this is never enough for an ideological audience: it's never enough for them to suffer alone because they need everyone else to suffer with them.

Bullocks, I say. From here on, I think I shall take a cue from our Kenyan-born president and ignore the stupid. Oh yeah, and please do not feed the trolls.



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10 Comments
 

I love how you bring politics into it.


Nice that you perpetuate the below-the-belt sexual innuendo term for the anti-collectivist protesters as well, are you always an echo for keith olbermann or just today?


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LOL... "anti-collectivist protesters"? Love it.


ps - I *am* Keith Olbermann


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The teabaggers are protesting the enormous stimulus bill, the massive new deficits (4x what Bush created), the takeover of the banks, the takeover of the car companies, the expensive tax on energy, the push towards single-payer healthcare (which is an anti-American idea), etc.


And to top it all off, the arguments are dishonest:

we need to pass the stimulus bill today vs. it will take two years to turn around the economy

You can keep your health insurance plan vs. as long as it meets our many new mandates

Government healthcare will save money vs. the plan costs $100 billion a year

I could go on like this for many pages


DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTI… No, wait, that bumper sticker expired January 20th. Under the stimulus bill, there's a new $1.3 trillion bills-for-bumpers program whereby, if you peel off old slogans now recognized as environmentally harmful ("QUESTION AUTHORITY"), you can trade them in for a new "CELEBRATE CONFORMITY" sticker, complete with a holographic image of President Obama that never takes his eyes off you.


Obama's a community organizer. We're the community. He organizes us. What part of that don't you get? When the community starts organizing against the organizer, the whole rigmarole goes to hell.


Thankfully, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs has seen through the "manufactured anger" of "the Brooks Brothers brigade." Apparently, the health care debate now has a dress code. Soon you won't be able to get in unless you're wearing Barack Obama mom-jeans, manufactured at a converted GM plant by an assembly line of retrained insurance salesmen.


Remember the official White House Web site which drew attention to the alarming amount of "disinformation about health insurance reform." "These rumors often travel just below the surface," warned the White House Director of New Media, "via chain e-mails or through casual conversation."


"Casual conversation," eh? Why can't these "dissenters" just be like normal people and read off the teleprompter? Reporting dissent is the new highest form of patriotism! The community is restless. The firm hand of greater organization is needed.


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I half agree with you.


The concept of anti-packages takes care of the problem, Mononono, for instance.


However I disagree that the tea-baggers are corn fed idiots. They are people who are for individual responsibility, instead of community ownership (it takes a parent rather than a village to raise a child) and against paying more than they already do in taxes. Yes, the ideals expressed are more prevalent off of the coasts, but if you look into the founding of this country, it is exactly this kind of thing that created the two halves of congress, one to represent the majority of people, one to give each state a say, as each region has very different needs. This balanced the power between the large and small states. People in the middle of the country tend to be more likely to be ready to take care of themselves, where those on the coast tend to expect more from government.


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Mono is targeted due to legal issues not addressed.


Mono is only a really small percent of the Linux world.


Please do list you will see almost all the Mono apps have replacements in the open source world not effected by the problem.


Boycott moves are last options. Remember only group that can legally ship Mono is Novel. Novel patent agreement applies to mono.


If you wish to stick head in sand and prey Novell does not turn on people using mono not aquired from Novell. That is your problem.


Does boycott novell attack like the gnu .net project no it does not. So its not that its a open source implementation of .net. It a legal issue caused by the Novell and MS deal so making mono not classed as independent development.


Ie 2 people invent the same block of code independent to each other and 1 person has a patent on the code. The patent can be invalided. That does not apply to Novel due to the deal.


Since Novel has the deal from MS giving a assurance that deal will not lead to attacks would make everyone happy.


The deal basically means anything Novel staff created is not classed as independent development to MS. So cannot be used to void MS patents if they come to bare.


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OK, corn-fed, we all know the deal, boycottnovell is still an idiot-pool that deserves to be shut down and its admin tarred and feathered.


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haha, so you signed up to ostatic to do ad-hominen attack on boycott-novell. how much microsoft or novell paid you for that service?


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This is me ignoring the trolls.


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Ack!!! It said don't feed the trolls, but I did. The article is the troll.


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In my experience, at least, all mono based apps I have used are flawed... Most of them just die on me while using them. Now, the same has happened too with many Adobe AIR stuff I tried this morning.


Am I anti-mono if I state that from all the apps I have used, all of them have crashed with no explanation whatsoever? No, why? Because I'm as vocal about it as when that happens with any app compiled, programmed or whatever in any tech.


If it sucks, it sucks. And in my experience, mono-apps suck.


Now, instead of saying boo mono... Why aren't there more developers developing mono-free alternatives?


My point is, if mono sucks and we can do something about that, why not do so, either by making it not suck or by developing real alternatives to what it does.


The nature behind mono and what you think of the Novell-MS deal is another thing though. I didn't like that. But will that stop me from using an application if it really works? Nope. It's just the case that I haven't found one yet. Once I do, I will use it.


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