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by Sky on Jun. 18, 2011

I fully agree. Needed to load up a new virtual machine, the system failed when loading Gnome 3 (bad GFX on a VM) and didn't know what to do. Went with Fedora LXDE instead.

by The Gnomer on Jun. 20, 2011

After years using Fedora with Gnome, installing F15 is terrible experience. Despaired, trying then XFCE and LXDE spins I have decided for KDE spin. Sorry, but default Gnome 3 useless. Want to do something "more" as have to icons to desktop without manually editing cfg file? -> install package with yum to extend G3 possibilities. Bluebubble should be already in F15 ISO. Cross my fingers to give me reason return from KDE to Gnome again.

by nico on Jun. 20, 2011

I simply love Gnome3, my workflow is as fast as in Gnome2, if not faster.

Sure, needs a few tweaks here and there, but everything is fixable in less then 30 minutes. Extremely good for a first release.

That said, the good thing about Linux is the large availability of different choices, so a new version of the old Gnome will be a good addition!

by georges on Jun. 20, 2011

I agree with Nico, except the notification area that does not stay visible.

It is a simple difference, but a big one, when someone contacts me when I'm not at my screen, when I come back I don't see the notification, and I can take an hour to answer.

When i really update my main system to Fedora 15, I'll need to choose, and this 2.32 hack seems a good idea until Gnome 3 is fully ready.

by an anonymous user on Jun. 20, 2011

I like Gnome 3 well enough to keep using it on an experimental basis until its feature set at least equals Gnome 2x. Having said that, though, there are a number of significant regressions to FC15 compared to FC14 (which I've been using since release). FC15 is significantly less stable (it hard locks with alarming frequency), and disk performance through Nautilus is significantly slower. I don't know if these problems are attributable to Gnome 3, the linux kernel, the free radeon drivers (I use catalyst on FC14 which of course doesn't work under Gnome 3), or some other issue(s), but it's been quite a shock compared to the rock-steady and comparatively fast, out-of-the-box ride I've had on FC14.

by kevymac on Jun. 20, 2011

I have a question for the anonymous user that states the Radeon Catalyst drivers don't work on F15:

What version of the Catalyst drivers are you using, and which Radeon card do you have?

-Kev

by an anonymous user on Jun. 20, 2011

Kev --

It's a 4650 with the 11-4 drivers. Works great in FC14, black screens on FC15 (won't even hit fallback mode).

by anonymousdaniel on Jun. 20, 2011

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Gnome3 is fine, it's users I wonder about. After all linux was started as an experiment with something "new" and different. You do not have to have the Gnome3 you can stick with XFCE or KDE or even a customized Openbox. That is the whole of it, you got choice quit whining and enjoy exploring.

by anonymouskoda on Jun. 21, 2011

Had I a machine on which Gnome 3 worked, I could, no doubt, get along with it. But, alas! 8 machines are no go! Now that's a problem, the solution to which is an alternative DE probably with an alternative distro. Fortunately the linux development basis remains relatively constant regardless of distro and it's always possible to build from source the few packages I use. Come to think of it, the DE is only occasionally useful. Command Line Interface rules.

by an anonymous user on Jun. 21, 2011

I have worn out my mouse using gnome 3.0 and unity.

Why can't all versions of linux have one default basic, ugly, functional desktop.

1. looks the same for every install - and for every distro

2. we can screw things up and always click back to the default

3. all affects turned off so it loads on any thing

Then you can play to your hearts content.

Or for the install we can choose the distro's recommeded windows like eyecandy desktop - or go with the basic linux default desktop - which all distros would use.

by an anonymous user on Jun. 21, 2011

please (whimper) can I have my Gnome 2 back again ? Please ?

by an anonymous user on Jun. 21, 2011

How well GNOME 3.0 work for user really depended on who are the user, mean how they use their computer. Things like. How they organize their file, how many monitor they have, how many app they run at once. GNOME3.0 do gives a few new way to find your stuff, and manage them. But they are not always work with the way you use your computer

A person like me, who usually at least have 5 or 6 app running at the same time, and have two monitors. and the amount of File I have. GNOME 3.0 totally suck. (at least for me).

Few things, First the layout of GNOME 3.0 doesn't reallly work will with more than one monitors. When you try to open an App just an App. The whole screen is taken. and everything else I am doing and monitoring have been blocked. I don't use the menu to find app for the most part, but sometime, you just can't remember how to spell app's name. (as you might already know how creative app's name gets under linux) The Classic menu works really well.

And I use my "Desktop" directory as a buffer zone when I put all the "fresh" file, and stuff I am working on at the mount, before I put them in the place where they should be. It is totally in my face, so to me... all the "recently opened" stuff is totally useless.

As Graphic Designer speaking GNOME 3.0's Default Layout isn't good at all. and how they size things see totally amateur. Compare to GNOME 2.x. the "appearance" of GNOME 2.x suck, but in term of layout, and interface design, GNOME 2.x is amazing. GNOME 3.0 Look a lot "better". but..... anyway.... just imagine putting the GNOME 3.0's appearance to GNOME 2.x. GNOME 2.x would be a 100x better designed interface. Well if they finally do something to the dual monitor support. Even Xfce do better than them. and GNOME has much bigger team, and much better support.

by Lonnie Nunweiler on Jun. 21, 2011

I use a fairly big quad core system and dual 24" monitors for work, not Social Media or entertainment. Gnome3 is simply not usable, and in the exact same category as Unity and from what I hear, Windows 8.

Fedora, or any distro, with up to date kernel and utilities, using gnome 2 will take over and I predict this will even unseat Windows. Windows got it right with the desktop UI and all I ever wanted was someone to get it right on Linux, which they did with gnome2. It allows me to set it up the way I want, not some UI developer who thinks his little netbook or iPhone is the best thing to ever come out. I am not knocking those tiny devices, in fact I use a netbook while travelling and my phone has all the Internet, etc. I just don't want my desktop to be as limited as a 3 or 7" screen device, and my system has the horsepower to handle a few more things.

It has been said that to a 6 year old with a hammer everything looks like a nail. It is very similar to this netbook UI craze. In the real world there is no such thing as a single tool. Every job requires special tools. Sure you can remove a bolt with pliers, but they have wrenches for that, even power wrenches. Can you imagine your mechanic trying to change your tire with pliers? It is possible, and I have even done due to the loss of my tire wrench. Never want to do that again.

Gnome2 is pretty polished and does what I want, so please, always make it an option for me on new releases.

Thanks in advance.

by Elder-Geek on Jun. 22, 2011

Lets focus on the sad, sad truth.

There is no more work being done on Gnome 2, all the work is now being Gnome 3. You will be able to run Gnome 2 on Fedora 16, with Gnome 2 six months out of date. You will be able to run Gnome 2 on Fedora 17, with Gnome 2 one year out of date.

At what point will it be to far behind? Face it folks Gnome 2 is just like KDE 3.5, dead man walking. There will soon be a point where the maintainers of Gnome 2, besides having to spend a month or two after Fedora 16 is out the door getting it to work. They will also have to rename apps. The people that created Brasero will get tired of fielding tech support questions from Gnome 2 users. The answer will be "Hey, it's Gnome 2, not support and not our problem" and "Hey Gnome 2 packages, rename our old Gnome 2 app to something else so we don't get bugged about bugs any more".

We all need to pray to $DIETY that Gnome 3 is eventually ready for prime time. Either that or we should learn to embrace Fluxbox, LXDE and XFCE.

by an anonymous user on Jun. 22, 2011

Gnome 3 is pretty sweet. Has a lot of rough edges that need smoothing but it is progress in the right direction. The underlying technology is also very cutting edge and exciting. This should bring in a lot more developer interest. In my opinion, anyone who doesn't like it was either bit by one of the rough edges or is an old fart that is resistant to change.

by Bernd on Jun. 22, 2011

>you got choice quit whining and enjoy exploring.

by Bernd on Jun. 22, 2011

you got choice quit whining and enjoy exploring, somebody said.

For me the desktop is a working environment. There are times i do not want to explore, times i just have to work. Because that's what i do with a computer. Is this why the Linux desktop won't break thru?? A very nice looking de indeed, but can't even open a second terminal. Waves on the edge, wow, sharp. Always wanted this.

by Bernd on Jun. 22, 2011

you got choice quit whining and enjoy exploring, somebody said.

For me the desktop is a working environment. There are times i do not want to explore, times i just have to work. Because that's what i do with a computer. Is this why the Linux desktop won't break thru?? A very nice looking de indeed, but can't even open a second terminal. Waves on the edge, wow, sharp. Always wanted this.

by an anonymous user on Jun. 23, 2011

Not sure why im commenting, I know that no one really cares. This gnome3/kde4 debacle has proven to me, a hard core Linux advocate, that Linux will never make it on the desktop. When kde went to 4, they made themselves a toy, or as we say at the college I teach at, good for home, but not for business. If you want to use Linux in the busines environment, you need gnome. Skin able so it's intuitive to the user, easy to use, exteamly configurable. Even without skinning, it was basically intuitive. Gnome had a chance if they kept polishing. Instead they pulled a kde, or arguably did worse then kde, and did a 100% change (making the kde3/4 jump almost look sane). Theres nothing intuitive with gnome3. Unless they really change their design concepts gnome3 will never be a desktop OS, much less a business class desktop OS.

Linux - "hey, we're starting to succeed and be successful! Time to blow it up..."

by jelabarre on Jun. 23, 2011

> There is no more work being done on Gnome 2, all the work is now

> being Gnome 3. You will be able to run Gnome 2 on Fedora 16, with

> Gnome 2 six months out of date. You will be able to run Gnome 2 on

> Fedora 17, with Gnome 2 one year out of date.

>

> At what point will it be to far behind? Face it folks Gnome 2 is just like

> KDE 3.5, dead man walking...

Gee, from what I've seen of Gnome3, it will take more than that year or so before anyone will be able to get work done under G3, so I think, at minimun, the Gnome2 users will still be on par with G3, if not actually ahead of the game.

by an anonymous user on Jun. 24, 2011

The Gnome 3 desktop is useless. I also find the Mac interface baffling and mystifying, is that what they were trying to emulate? What was so wrong with the previous desktop that they felt they had to commit this foolishness?

Back to my old Fedora version.... hope this BlueBubble thing works out.

by xjonquilx on Jun. 29, 2011

Isn't this kind of redundant considering Gnome 2 is already available on Fedora 15 with the compiz-gnome package?

by Ger van Dijck Belgium Europe on Aug. 06, 2011

I am a Fedora fan : Till Fedora 15 wth Gnome 3.

Falling back in the fallback mode : So I bought an Ati Radeon 9250 card and there started

the misery.

I am not able to install the needed drivers for this card and did understand the whole world has extreme big problems with this enigmatic thing.

Is there anyone out there in this universum who has an solution for this rediculus problem ?

regards ,

vandijck.ger@skynet.be

by Jesus - Culturismo sin Tonterias - http://eliminarlagrasa.co on Aug. 16, 2011

Gee, from what I've seen of Gnome3, it will take more than that year or so before anyone will be able to get work done under G3, so I think, at minimun, the Gnome2 users will still be on par with G3, if not actually ahead of the game

by an anonymous user on Sep. 23, 2011

? why cant i have Desktop Icons and Files?

- Every OS has that!

? why cant i revert back to Gnome 2 standard?

- I feel pushed!

by an anonymous user on Sep. 27, 2011

I get the impression the programmers needed something new to do because Gnome 2 was just about perfected. I was showing it off and bragging about it to everyone. I was so happy with my system. I had no idea what I was getting into when I installed F-15. What a horrible disaster. I tried using it for a week and it is extremely inefficient, tedious and laborious, besides having lost capabilities I need. After 5 years of being increasingly amazed at Fedora and Gnome, I am stunned by this abrupt stupidity. I have dumped Fedora for another system to avoid Gnome 3. You developers have "lost the bubble" on what users need, and you have lost me. Have fun telling yourselves how great and elegant your new system is. Meanwhile I'll check back occasionally to see if you have gotten back in touch with reality.

by an anonymous user on Oct. 20, 2011

yahoo!

by an anonymous user on Nov. 14, 2011

I moved my department from Fedora to Scientific Linux to avoid the pain I would have had inflicted on me by forcing Gnome 3 on my user base. I don't understand why this wasn't added as an alternative window manager, but I'll be avoiding Gnome 3 by whatever means possible for as long as I can.

by an anonymous user on Nov. 30, 2011

I get the whole experimenting thing, but honestly, if you're gonna change something make it for the better. Honestly speaking, it takes more steps to open programs than gnome 2. the other thing that's really annoying is that if you haven't installed an application using rpm (like those pre compiled applications) you cannot put the application on your favorite list.

by an anonymous user on Dec. 25, 2011

Where can I get the download for fedora 15 gnome 2?

by an anonymous user on Jan. 29, 2012

The gnome devs have single handedly killed desktop linux, People i know (me included) have went back to windows because of gnome3.

Gnome 2 was perfect, people switched from windows and even from osx to ubuntu 9.10 because of gnome 2's simplistic enviroment, gnome 2 was lean mean clean and functional and snapy quick, now with gnome3 you have to open the stupid memory hogging shell to "search" for applications that used to take 2 seconds to find in gnome 2 from the drop down menu.

Unity is even worse than shell, its clunky, slow, and unessisary, the linux desktop problem was solved with gnome 2 there was no need to reinvent it, now look at the mess they have caused the linux community with all this arrogant medelling.

This nonsense has cost the linux world users, No one wants this stupid crap, No one asked for it no one wants it no lone likes it.

I hope bluebubble will resurect the old gnome2.32 and not try to "reinvent the wheel"

PS: The mate fork is garbage as well, Same for the cinnamon desktop, all crap, PLEASE GOD SOMEONE BRING BACK GNOME2.32.

LINUX DEVS STOP TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL AND WORK ON THE KERNAL, THE DESKTOP HAS ALREADY BEEN SOLVED.

by an anonymous user on Mar. 02, 2012

Gnome 2 -- alive and well here

http://74.54.219.50/~lxgator/gnome/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3925&sid=4a...