Is Oracle Holding Back OpenOffice Files from Apache?
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Is Oracle Holding Back OpenOffice Files from Apache?
by Susan Linton - Jun. 07, 2011Comments (3)
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Michael Meeks published some interesting statistics on the completeness of the OpenOffice source code contributed to the Apache Software Foundation. His numbers actually came from a post from Christian Lohmaier to The Document Foundation discussion mailing list.The conversation was primarily about what exactly would be included in the source code. It was said that "it's not even clear whether it will be the current codebase or some older version IBM is basing their version on." Lohmaier said, "As on the apache list, a link to that "list of source files" has been provided, and there have been claims that this list is covering the whole source, I had a deeper look myself."A deeper look he had. Using a clone of the DEV300 repository, he made a file list and compared it to a file list provided by Oracle to Apache and found first the raw numbers: 69076 files from cloned repo list and 39616 in Oracle provided list. He said, "calling this "seems to include the full repo" and that even twice is either with malicious intent, or with no clue. Christian Lippka really should know better, but had stated this at least twice. Close to 30000 files gone, who cares "source seems complete".." Sarcasm intended. Well, there is a long post of interesting comparisons and interpretations, but suffice to say that Oracle hasn't handed over the full source, either on purpose or out of carelessness. To use Meeks' summary, "Some highlights: 40k of 69k files to be licensed to ASF ie. 40% of files missing, by his (clever) file movement analysis, the snapshot was taken at m103 ie. before 2011-03-21, ie. old and missing lots of branches integrated since then. Then a lot of details: no icons but then no toolbar XML descriptions either, no translations, no templates, no filter configuration, the list goes on."Thanks to the amazing work by Lohmaier and handy translations by Meeks, we can see that the Oracle OpenOffice code is incomplete. Will this be remedied? Well, Meeks will probably keep us updated.
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by dpharbison on Jun. 08, 2011Your story has a false assertion. It's also interesting to note you only quote members of the Document Foundation; not a balanced piece, don't you think?
It would be useful to do some basic fact checking. For example, all the discussion on this topic is available on the list.Have fun reading over 1,000 emails! ...To help you out a bit you may want to update your piece by including this germane response from the original Oracle Committer of the Incubation Proposal, Andrew Rist:
There are (2) parts to this issue: firstly, the sources granted to ASF by Oracle for which Oracle ascertains they have the copyrights to permit such a grant, and secondly, those modules, highlighted by Michael Meeks and others on list, that are required to build but are not owned by Oracle with a non-Apache license model; e.g. LGPL,...
The project team that is forming and will comprise the podling PMC (PPMC) if voted through by Apache's Incubator PMC team, will address the 2nd case. Watch this space.
Facts are sometime more interesting when they are omitted.
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by Donald Harbison on Jun. 08, 2011Susan, your article contains false assertion, "...but suffice to say that Oracle hasn't handed over the full source,..."
...and since you quote only members of The Document Foundation, is biased and unbalanced.
Have a look here:
...for clarification and rebuttal of your assertion. Andrew Rist is the Oracle representative and Committer associated with the original submission of the OpenOffice Incubation Proposal.
Since The Document Foundation and LibreOffice representatives have chosen to criticize and distort the situation, clearly attempting to disparage the future of the proposed project, it would have been more useful to include the full picture, and not 'sin by omission'.
Then again, you wouldn't be generating inaccurate controversy and conflict. Hmm...isn't that what sells advertising?
Don Harbison
Committer to the proposed OpenOffice project at Apache Software Foundation.
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by Andrew Prough on Jun. 09, 2011@Donald Harbison
Mr. Harbison,
Your LinkedIn page indicates that you are currently employed as a Program Director at IBM. Don't you think that your IBM affiliation would be a more appropriate signature line on comments in which you take the author to task over a story on Apache's acceptance of Oracle code, rather than the signature line you used -- "Committer to the proposed project..."? Since you would appear to have a personal financial interest in the Apache acceptance of the code, I think you should disclose the fact. Especially in a comment in which you accuse the author of "generating inaccurate controversy and conflict" in order to "sell advertising"?
Also, I personally find your portrayal of the discussions at the Apache foundation to be inaccurate and misleading. Despite Andrew Rist's repeated assurances to the Apache incubator mailing list, I found that there were a very large number of potential voters who voiced negative opinions that showed that the acceptance of the code grant was fraught with conflict and controversy.
If anyone wants to read the actual Apache incubator list discussion about Meeks' file comparison, start here and thread forward:
The fact is, the Apache foundation is likely, under the best of circumstances, to receive a grant of OpenOffice code from Oracle which is missing key files which make it an extremely difficult process to build a working piece of software.
Andrew Prough, CFE
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Kyle, TX
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