Is PCLinuxOS on the Ropes?

by Susan Linton - Feb. 07, 2011Comments (58)

PCLinuxOSPCLinuxOS has suffered from its share of issues over the years. With difficulties ranging from personnel shake-ups to hosting problems, it seems developing and managing a Linux distribution can be challenging work. Perhaps sometimes it's more trouble than it's worth.

PCLinuxOS is a popular distribution, at one time wildly so and rivaled Ubuntu for the top spot on Distrowatch.com's Page Hit Ranking. It has fiercely loyal users that stand ready to defend it all across the Linux landscape. And even though it has suffered major issues over the years, it still remains popular and firmly entrenched in the top 10 of Distrowatch PHR.

A labor of love is how lead developer Bill "Texstar" Reynolds once described his work on PCLinuxOS. Commonly heard phrases included "for fun" and "for my users." But a recent exclamation by Reynolds could lead one to speculate PCLOS may be on the ropes. In response to repository hosting issues of the last two weeks, Reynolds said this morning, "This distro is becoming a major pain in the ass."

This latest problem that arose week before last started when the primary PCLOS repository host, ibiblio.org, decided to move. Until the move was completed, there would be no new updates. Notices were posted, but users were impatient and many didn't see the notice, so emails flooded the developers' inboxes. Uploads finally became possible, but rsyncing to other mirrors wasn't working. After a few emails back and forth, the ibiblio.org issue was resolved and mirrors began catching up with the updates. Everything was looking good when out of nowhere came the email saying that the host for the PASS repository is restructuring and Reynolds should find a new home for it. PASS is the advanced update repository for those that donate to the project. They get updates a few days to a week before regular mirror users.

This was when Reynolds made his astonishing remark. He's been quiet since. Whether this was a temporary mood or something that's been simmering awhile is unclear. But it's never good news when a lead developer and the very face of a distribution says something like that in public. The last time Reynolds took a leave of absence, development ground practically to a halt and infighting caused the resignation of several key developers. It's always said an open source Linux distribution can live beyond their founder, but sometimes they don't. Whether PCLOS can live on if Reynolds retires is unknown, but many users would not welcome the news.



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58 Comments
 

I have tinkered with PCLinuxOS and am impressed with what they have achieved, it would be sad for linux in general if any of that is true.


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I'm not a huge fan of these smaller distros, but it'll be a shame of PCLinuxOS dies and the trillion shameless Ubuntu modifications-huckstered-as-distros not only continue to live, but to receive an absurd amount of coverage and interest (I'm looking at you, PinguyOS).


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He was probably just having a bad day...a case of the mondays? :D


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That's an outrageous headline!!


Can't a person have an off day and throw a comment to the wind without some posting an article like this!!


Did Susan Linton even bother to contact Mr Reynolds to see if this was just a one off or whether there was any merit in what she "blindly" concludes!!


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See ya, world doesn't need random linux distros anyways


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I am a pclos user and fan. However, I may not be the only one to think that our Tex has a weird sense of humor. So, anyone thinking of trying out this distro can be reassured it will be around for a while. Maybe before downloading wait another day or so to allow the mirrors to update from the central one. (ref Susan's blognote).

My industry experience is that when you hear the word 'restructure' - watch your back.! It sounds like a real problem finding a new host for the members repository but surely solvable.


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To Anonymous who posted this:


"See ya, world doesn't need random linux distros anyways"


What the heck is a "random" distro??!!!


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"See ya, world doesn't need random linux distros anyways"


Really? PCLinuxOS is always on the top 10 in distro watch. What do you call a normal/major distro?


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That should be Mr. Reynolds, it's very disrespectful to address him other wise, he has earned this respect, and deserves this from the Linux Community!!!


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That should be Mr. Reynolds!


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The last week or so has certainly been rocky with the ibiblio servers moving (aggravated by communication problems - it seems Texstar expects everybody to be following him on twitter rather than posting official notices in the announcements forum or on the PCLOS website where people would most likely turn to look for such information).

If Texstar were to leave the project permanently, there would probably be some struggling while the rest of the distro's developers determined how to direct the project, but otherwise things would probably continue as they have done.


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I am a PCLOS user myself, and like the distro a lot. It still has quite a few bugs, but imho it is much better than any of the "larger" distros. I would be devestated if PCLOS was discontinued, and I was forced to switch to Ubuntu.


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PClinux 93A "Big Daddy" was my first real bath in linux. Here was distro that made me feel comfortable in a new OS, tht was EASY to configure AND STABLE the most stable I had ever used, and I LOVED THIS DISTRO. That is until one day I went the repository and it WASN'T there !!!


Why 93A was killed I don't know, I tried 2007, and several different distro's . Nothing was as good in my opinion as 93A, I finally settled for mepis and have been using it ever since!


Ah 93A gone but NOT forgotten. Maybe texstar should go back to what REALLY works. !!!


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The aggravated by communication problems resulted from many users not reading ANYTHING posted on the forum in General news and announcements for PCLinuxOS.


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PClinux 93A "Big Daddy" was my first real bath in linux. Here was distro that made me feel comfortable in a new OS, tht was EASY to configure AND STABLE the most stable I had ever used, and I LOVED THIS DISTRO. That is until one day I went the repository and it WASN'T there !!!


Why 93A was killed I don't know, I tried 2007, and several different distro's . Nothing was as good in my opinion as 93A, I finally settled for mepis and have been using it ever since!


Ah 93A gone but NOT forgotten. Maybe texstar should go back to what REALLY works. !!!


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I really think PCLinuxOS will still be around. I have distro-hopped so many times and I always seem to come back to PCLOS. It's now the only Linux distro that's on my PC, laptop, mothr in law's PC and my daughter's netbook. I wouldn't have any other. I can't imagine myself using Ubuntu or any of it's clones. I believe Bill Reynolds and the other developers at PCLOS have done an outstanding job with this Linux distro. Great job guys.


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This is all blown out of proportion... Give the man a break! Who wouldn't get a little frustrated with so many server issue all at once. I am amazed how one little comment can be turned into so much.


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I have come to love PCLinuxOS as a great desktop (KDE).


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I think that they can scale back and focus their efforts.


They need to focus on one dfesktop, for example. They can go back to focussing on KDE and let contributors provide gnome, if intierested. I would prefer KDE as it is the community desktop - gnome is driven mostly by corporations like redhat, novell and canonical.


Or they can focus on another desktop but they are really stretching their already thin resources in supporting so much software.


JMO.


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Miss Susan Linton: I think is great that a simple commentary derives in such a long attention, it speaks lots about Texstar.

About the line, I guess you should also write that PCLinuxOS is alien technology or something of the multiple things he use to write at the forum ;-)

Have no fear Miss Linton, PCLinuxOS will continue as one of the best distros "this side of the galaxy".

Bye the way, you're welcome to the forums any time you like, lots of friendly people there. I'm sure you'll like it.


Have a good day.


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Oh my my.

You would think with a server location shuffle | all this commotion? People moaning must have an extremely pampered life and live in a bubble. Do I really even need to say more?


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So ibiblio reconfiguring means PCLinuxOS is going away? With that kind of thinking one could say that the OTHER 100 distros hosted on ibiblio are going away too.


Sad reporting.


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I really didn't used PCLinuxOS, cause It didn't offered more than Mandriva offers. No hard feelings towards PCLOS devs and users, but I don't get the picture of using a distro with rebranded packages and custom tweaks.


On the other side, I wait for Mageia with great enthusiasm. It's a fork, first of all, a lot more than PCLOS.


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If you never used PCLinuxOS then how do you know it doesn't offer more than Mandriva because it is way more than rebranded packages and custom tweaks. I'm afraid you are going to disappointed in Mageia.


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Please stop talking kaff all of you .

PCLinuxOS is here to stay, problems or no problems


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0.93 was also one of my first Linux experiences. I jumped around a lot and always came back to PCLinuxOS. It's all I have on my computers. Everything works for the majority of users (including me), and those with a problem or two can get very good assistance in the forum.


I think Mr. Reynolds had an off day, just like most of us have at times... but I know PCLinuxOS is far from on the ropes.


Come join us in the forum sometime, Ms. Linton .... we all have a great many good friends there ... including Mr. Reynolds, our own Texstar. Better yet, try PCLinuxOS for yourself.


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@ Martin Spasovski - If you think there is no difference between Mandriva and PCLinuxOS you are mistaken. Perhaps it is far better for you to use a different Distro. As for this blog... It would appear that someone is just jumping to conclusions and trying to get more visitors to the blog. If you knew what was happening you would of known what he was referring to.


"But it's never good news when a lead developer and the very face of a distribution says something like that in public. " Perhaps you should get your facts correct before jumping to a conclusion and blogging about such non sense.


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I wish people who run blogs and know nothing about investigative reporting or reporting of any kind would leave the news reporting to real reporters. This sounds like nothing more to me than a simple case of the guy was having a bad day or just joking. Given the amount of time he personally spends working on his distro, I highly doubt that he'd suddenly leave and not let anybody know. I've been on his forum many times and he's very involved and personally interacts with his users and helps people fix issues. People like that don't just call it quits when a couple small issues pop up. He's probably either taking a break or working so much on the distro and the couple of issues he's having that he doesn't have time for socializing. I'm sure he'll get it worked out.


I love PCLinuxOS, I've been using it for several months now. I think it's a great distribution and it's not just Mandriva rebranded. In fact, it now has its own code, totally separate from Mandriva and it offers more desktop environments and updates packages in its repositories more frequently than Mandriva does. It's not a "small" distro by any means. Anybody who knows what they are talking about knows these things. Boo to this fake article and to some of the responses to it.


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I too love PCLinuxOS very much. I have used almost all major distributions. But of all, PCLinuxOS is one of the best choice, and not by any means inferior to the so-called major distros. In fact it is much user-friendly and desktop-ready than many major distros. PCLinuxOS, being a rolling distro, has been and will be on my desktop and office PC for as long as the distro is there.

Nonsense like this blog will badly affect new comers who are willing to try PCLinuxOS.

Don't worry guys. Welcome to PCLinuxOS community. You will enjoy your stay with us.


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This was discussed elsewhere and I would like to quote one comment which summed it all up:


"It is a sad situation when journalists can't be bothered to do the research. It isn't that difficult to check the facts."


Says it all really ....


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The PCLOS community forums are full of vindictive admins and fanboys who drive away many a willing participant. Good riddance I say. There are plenty of other distros with better, friendlier communities.


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"The PCLOS community forums are full of vindictive admins and fanboys who drive away many a willing participant. Good riddance I say. There are plenty of other distros with better, friendlier communities."


The PCLOS community forums take good care of the language and topics that people discusses because it's a family forum, our kids lurk there and we see each other as friends, some don't like to be called to order and I can't say I'm sorry for them.


From time to time there is a discussion about the rules and usually is settled talking because friends are not afraid to say things to each other.


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Wow what a lot of cafuffle from alot of NeySayers and PooDoers ... some of you really need to get out more ...


firstly for the Blog Writer Ms Linton ... i would probably say why not drop Tex an email and ask him if that towel has been thrown in before running out to the World and Crying Wolf ... remember what happened to the little boy who did that previously ... because in future none of your writings can be taken seriously even if they are true and complete with all the facts ... seriously send an appology and write a new blogroll entry apologising for your mistake ...


secondly ... where the hell did all these pooBuntu users come from ... or the former Mandriva users ... and i say former because how long has it been since it died ... of course since then PCLinuxOS is rolling on creating new Update releases and moving forward ... KDE 4.6 ....XFCE 4.8 ... Gnome 3 in the pipeline ... need i say more ... other than Us guys at PCLOS will see you in 5 years time when KDE is 5.3 and XFCE 5.0 and Gnome 4.2 ... what else can i say than always get your information verified before putting your Mouth into gear before your Brain ...


have a nice day


Kori :-D


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Quote from Crow


The PCLOS community forums take good care of the language and topics that people discusses because it's a family forum, our kids lurk there and we see each other as friends, some don't like to be called to order and I can't say I'm sorry for them.


It's not the language that is the problem. I have seen too many times when a newb comes into the forums with a gacked install that is easily fixed they get the standard back up /home and reinstall. This is the way of Windows. If you teach your users that this is the standard Linux practice then they will never learn anything. Yes I followed with amusement the repo fiasco. There may have been 20 or so posts concerning why can't I update. The community jumped onto every user that posted and berated them. The announcement that the servers were being moved was something along the lines of ibiblio servers moving. Most end users (read that newbs) probably don't know what ibibilio is. So I blame your lead developer for that since he is the one that posted the notice. It could have been worded better. I jumped ship long ago. I'd rather play with the folks in the Gentoo forums.......


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PCLinuxOS user comments ;)

http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,86858.0.html


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Everybody always wants to blame someone else instead of taking responsibility for their own actions of lack thereof. You know, such as reading the forum before posting the same thing over and over even after the news was posting in large print at the top of the forum.


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"I'd rather play with the folks in the Gentoo forums......."


Fine, good you find something you like. After 4 years using PCLinuxOS I'm still a newbie and that's fine too because I choose another profession in this life. I'm glad I don't have to go frequently to the command line (I'm not afraid is just that I don't like) as in Kubuntu and other distros (seems like a long time now).


To this day, the two times that I (emphasis in I) broke my install I've been able to fix it thanks to the excellent forum support. Probably you are a professional working with computers which is fine too but for people like me and others that use PCLOS in daily work the stability and easy of use is a blessing.


People don't understand? fine, they can ask, I do it when I don't understand things. People didn't read the announcement? fine, they still may ask... wait they just did that and you read it.


Intriguing that you don't use PCLOS and lurk in the forums, found something you like? You're welcome as anybody else.


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I find your lack of faith in PCLinuxOS disturbing.


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Crow I not only hang out there but the Sabayon and Gentoo forums as well. I have my mother on PCLinuxos since it is a newb friendly distro. When she calls me and tells me that she is getting errors in synaptic the first place I headed to was their forums. But then I know what Ibiblio is and still stand by my judgement that Texstar could have worded his post better to do justice to his users. Then he and his merry band of admins would of had not to deal with all of the questions thus saving them a headache. Then bitching about it in the end. Yes I happen to be a UNIX sys admin but what does that have to do with the issues I have stated? They would be better served ditching apt for rpm since it isn't even being developed anymore for a better package manager, maybe one that could have messages about repos being down sent to the users when they open the program. Maybe equo/Sulfur........Oh and before you even ask why I don't have my mum on Sabayon or Gentoo I just go ahead and address that. It would be irresponsible of me to put her into an environment not for newbs.


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Texstars remarks could be related to the following:


Lately I have noticed when looking for help on the forums I receive quite a few condescending replies. Very irritating. And the only chance of getting sincere and valid help on the actual question or problem presented was if Texstar himself happened to respond.


And, here comes the anger toward me, KDE 4, which is up to 4.6 now, is still not a completely stable, reliable, and user friendly environment.


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If I may add, some of the responders above seem very familiar in both name and "tone" to the condescending replies I have quite often received on their forum. What they fail to realize is some people going to the forum have been using Linux much longer than they have. On top of their attitude, they seem to have a problem even understanding a simple question. The whole experience is nothing like the great community several years ago. Because of my experiences on their forum I have switched to another distribution.


Sorry, but I loved PCLinuxOS and these experiences have been very disheartening and this has given me an opportunity to share my feelings.


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I hope pclinuxos stays around for a while, I have surfed around for a good distro for a while and have loved working with pclinuxos for the better part of 2 years. The community is great and I can not imagine school without it.


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Sorry that all who claim to have had a bad experience with the PCLinuxOS Forum never brought it up there, where it matters, but here and than anonymous, not using their nick. I would have loved to look up those instances so one could improve if shortcomings are present - and who is perfect?


From my experiences with Linux distro forums I found the PCLinuxOS forum the best for my needs. My needs are not to show off my alleged superior knowledge but to function as part of a community and help each other as good as possible. There are, apart from Texstar, some very knowledgeable individuals in that forum who more than just a few times helped with serious problems without the need to having their trumpet blown. I appreciate that much more that those "look at me" types. I will than also be a lot more understanding and forgiving should things not work out perfectly every time.


So if you see yourself as such an extraordinary individual that personal worship is all but your basic expectation the PCLinuxOS forum might not be the ideal place for you.


If you are looking for a great community with wonderful and knowledgeable people helping you out when need it - I reckon that would be the spot to be.


I for one spent most of the time in the social part of the forum because I hardly experience problems. For getting problems I run other distros in a virtual environment...


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To the anonymous moaning of PCLOS forum being not friendly:


Those things you are telling to people about the forum are simply not true.

I would say you are lying if not exaggerating, my friend.


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Sounds like a few --buntu fanbois jumped on this rather quickly. Ms Linton should have done her homework before writing this pile of untruth.


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Most of the condescending posts about the pclos forum here are nothing more than untruthful. Unfortunately in the real world there needs to be some sort of control. The pclos forums are helpful, insightful, and never once have I been "snubbed" or told to "RTFM". Sometimes, I've been directed to another post, or asked to read something. What's so bad about that? It wasn't my first intro into linux, but it has been my final stop. And, for the most part, the reason for that is because of the forum. No matter what os you use, you will need help once in a while. Taking the time to read once in a while, being polite on occasion, and thankful go a long way. An excellent group of people.


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Saw this and had to laugh.


PCLinuxOS on the ropes? I'm a frayed knot!


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Unbelievable! The bad experiences on the forum were brought up on the forum and the responses contained the same condescending language as you have just used in the above posts! There are even a couple posts above which outright call me a liar. Did you read what you wrote? You really believe that is an acceptable manner to address other human beings? Not one mention of "we are sorry or we regret your experience and ................".


So, in wrapping up, let me just add, I am not a liar, everything I said was true and in a respectful manner. I even expressed how I loved PCLinuxOS and thought it was a great distro. Now, definitely no regrets at all of switching distros, I did the correct thing. Thank you.


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"Sounds like a few --buntu fanbois jumped on this rather quickly. Ms Linton should have done her homework before writing this pile of untruth."


"To the anonymous moaning of PCLOS forum being not friendly:

Those things you are telling to people about the forum are simply not true.

I would say you are lying if not exaggerating, my friend."


These are the kinds of typical negative comments and assaults made on the pclos forums. If you complain you must be an evil ubuntu user or simply a liar. It is this kind of poor community spirit that helped lead a large splinter group to form and go off and create Unity Linux. The forums are just a symptom of the deeper rot at the core.


Go read the truth for yourself:

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090330#news

http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=35927&p=210162

http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/9904/man-visiting-the-pclinuxos-...


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I think Mr. Reynolds was passing a bad day when he said that and doesn't mean in any way he's gonna give up on the project. PCLinuxOS is the only operating system I found myself comfortable with, Just a few days ago I installed it on my virtual machine to learn how to install stuff and everything else in general.


I'm sorry Susan but jumping like this for such a comment, wasn't the right move.


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I was on the PCLinuxOS forums a few weeks ago and inquired into the package updating issues at the time. Someone answered me pretty quickly, but within minutes, Texstar himself also answered me and in essence said that the iBiblio server was going through some changes and therefore updates were not available. He didn't go into further detail, but I wondered if all other mirror servers were therefore getting their updates from IBiblio, in which case, that would explain why there were no updates (since some time in December, right around when the 2010.12 releases were created).


Texstar mentioned at the time that as a temporary measure, subscribing to the download service and supporting the project would make it possible to get more current updates. The subscription cost was pretty nominal. Normally I would have gladly subscribed, but I am unemployed and barely able to retain Internet access; can't afford commercial distros or subscriptions right now, but I love to support good distributions when I can afford it.


What I am concerned about now - and perhaps this is why Texstar was so frustrated - is that PASS server the subscription server that feeds iBiblio and is the place where he first puts his initial updates? If that's the case, then no sooner did the iBiblio server fiasco get resolved, then a second, possibly even more intrusive issue emerged. If I'm reading that right, no wonder Bill was so upset!


Warren Woodford (MEPIS founder) has had a lot of problems with his ISP over the past year or so, too, and he may have even switched ISPs after multiple problems with one of them. Jim Lynch, former Extreme Tech Community Manager, freelance writer and the owner of several software blogs and forums, including Desktop Linux Reviews, has had issues both with ISPs and forum software over the past year. Having a small one man operation with occasional help from a few community members, he has those days too.


So it definitely isn't just Bill Reynolds. Could he have "had it up to HERE with producing free software and PCLinuxOS?" Sure, anything is possible. A much more likely scenario, though, is that he's just spent an inordinate amount of time dealing with migration issues with his primary distribution mirror site, and no sooner is that issue resolved, then yet another hosting related issue arises, so he ends having most of his time - which is probably already at a premium in the first place - consumed with crucial issues, yet things that are secondary to his true interests - the artistic creation and expression of free software in his creation, PCLinuxOS.


From where I stand, I won't suggest that "PCLinuxOS is on the ropes", but neither would I completely remove the possibility that Bill might want to go in some other direction if these frustrating issues continue to arise. If he has the time or if he has the help to keep from having to deal with all of these matters, and if he gets the financial support to hire someone good enough so that he can attend to the things that interest him, sure, we could see many years of PCLinuxOS. At the same time, don't completely ignore what Susan said, even if it was a bit sensational to raise headlines and readership. Everyone has limits, even great software minds like Bill Reynolds and Warren Woodford. In Warren's case, one rumor suggested that he was putting in 100 hour work weeks. If Bill is doing the same thing, no wonder the fuse seems to be a little short - even the best of us have our limits.


So my conclusion is that I appreciate the work of great small system leaders like Bill and Warren. I can't even begin to suggest what they will or will not do - their thoughts are never checked out with me, nor do I ever expect them to be. These gentlemen have contributed much to the free software community, and were probably two of the people more responsible than any other for raising the bar of easy to use software. Today, we see the fruits of their labors in many other fine distributions, but the ideas stemmed from their early work in 2002 and 2003 as they were forming the nucleus of their distributions, right around the same period in time.


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I was on the PCLinuxOS forums a few weeks ago and inquired into the package updating issues at the time. Someone answered me pretty quickly, but within minutes, Texstar himself also answered me and in essence said that the iBiblio server was going through some changes and therefore updates were not available. He didn't go into further detail, but I wondered if all other mirror servers were therefore getting their updates from IBiblio, in which case, that would explain why there were no updates (since some time in December, right around when the 2010.12 releases were created).


Texstar mentioned at the time that as a temporary measure, subscribing to the download service and supporting the project would make it possible to get more current updates. The subscription cost was pretty nominal. Normally I would have gladly subscribed, but I am unemployed and barely able to retain Internet access; can't afford commercial distros or subscriptions right now, but I love to support good distributions when I can afford it.


What I am concerned about now - and perhaps this is why Texstar was so frustrated - is that PASS server the subscription server that feeds iBiblio and is the place where he first puts his initial updates? If that's the case, then no sooner did the iBiblio server fiasco get resolved, then a second, possibly even more intrusive issue emerged. If I'm reading that right, no wonder Bill was so upset!


Warren Woodford (MEPIS founder) has had a lot of problems with his ISP over the past year or so, too, and he may have even switched ISPs after multiple problems with one of them. Jim Lynch, former Extreme Tech Community Manager, freelance writer and the owner of several software blogs and forums, including Desktop Linux Reviews, has had issues both with ISPs and forum software over the past year. Having a small one man operation with occasional help from a few community members, he has those days too.


So it definitely isn't just Bill Reynolds. Could he have "had it up to HERE with producing free software and PCLinuxOS?" Sure, anything is possible. A much more likely scenario, though, is that he's just spent an inordinate amount of time dealing with migration issues with his primary distribution mirror site, and no sooner is that issue resolved, then yet another hosting related issue arises, so he ends having most of his time - which is probably already at a premium in the first place - consumed with crucial issues, yet things that are secondary to his true interests - the artistic creation and expression of free software in his creation, PCLinuxOS.


From where I stand, I won't suggest that "PCLinuxOS is on the ropes", but neither would I completely remove the possibility that Bill might want to go in some other direction if these frustrating issues continue to arise. If he has the time or if he has the help to keep from having to deal with all of these matters, and if he gets the financial support to hire someone good enough so that he can attend to the things that interest him, sure, we could see many years of PCLinuxOS. At the same time, don't completely ignore what Susan said, even if it was a bit sensational to raise headlines and readership. Everyone has limits, even great software minds like Bill Reynolds and Warren Woodford. In Warren's case, one rumor suggested that he was putting in 100 hour work weeks. If Bill is doing the same thing, no wonder the fuse seems to be a little short - even the best of us have our limits.


So my conclusion is that I appreciate the work of great small system leaders like Bill and Warren. I can't even begin to suggest what they will or will not do - their thoughts are never checked out with me, nor do I ever expect them to be. These gentlemen have contributed much to the free software community, and were probably two of the people more responsible than any other for raising the bar of easy to use software. Today, we see the fruits of their labors in many other fine distributions, but the ideas stemmed from their early work in 2002 and 2003 as they were forming the nucleus of their distributions, right around the same period in time.


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Go read the truth for yourself:


http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090330#news


HAHAHA you mean the 3 stoogie assclowns who made all that up and lied to everyone including themselves. So glad they aren't part of pclos anymore.


You aren't going to please every user who frequents a forum. Some people can't follow rules or choose to ignore them because they are above the rules and get all pissy when they get their hand spanked.


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WOW!! What a hatchet job susan, rumors of pclinux's demise has been greatly exaggerated, lol,lol

Having been into linux since the slackware days (early 90's) pclinuxos is my go to distro. I am a small business owner and pclinuxos is my distro of choice for my biz. I have other partitions which various distros reside, but for making money it's pclinuxos, baybee, all the way. It's rock solid, unlike that bastard child of debian that all the former window users use, and from the intelligence of your report, I assume you use it too susan


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If Tex had a bad day when he said what he said, he is definitely having a good one now, laughing while reading all this nonsense.


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I've used PCLOS for about 6 months and don't have a problem with it.

As for the forums, I don't visit much anymore. Some seem a bit anal, but most are nice folks.

One A-hole actually sent me a PM because he didn't like something I said about "finding" a WinXP ISO online, and was going to teach me about PCLOS etiquette, or some crap like that.


Noone is made to use PCLOS or made to go to the forums. After all it's just another OS in the long line of other OS's..It really is not a life and death issue, but some people take things a little too seriously I guess.


I'm playing with Mint now, and running Hauki in VB..I may download the new Debian, or I may not..I may re install PCLOS tomorrow, or never....Linux is fun!


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@ Santa's God Acre...


You my friend, are an idiot! PinguyOS and any other small distribution are what makes the linux community what it is. Have Ubuntu, CentOS, Mandriva or PCLinuxOS all started off as the popular distro's they are now? No!


Ubuntu is actually a derivative of Debian, does that make ubuntu a "modifications-huckstered-as-distro"...I don't think.


Please, if you are going to make idiotic remarks, save them for the Microsoft Blogs :)


Jing


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People!


The primary purpose of this distro is to make Linux EASY, and it does that beautifully.


When M$ suddenly sunsetted Win98 about 5 years ago, I went looking. I tried Ubuntu, but as a Linux newb I was totally buffaloed. When I did get it installed as a dual boot, every 6 months a major reinstall happened and all was wiped out.


Come along PCLOS. I still dual boot (am a windows community troubleshooter for a living) but absolutely love this distro. Every one of my machines and my teen daughter's laptop runs PCLOS.


Just today (5/15/11) I had a problem with a corrupt RPM database. I posted to the forum because I didn't understand the error message. Within 15 minutes, who posts with the solution but Tex. That has happened to me several times. Tex is on the forums and answers my question or solves my problem. Now many times it's others, but this man is LOYAL to his baby and to his users. Where else can you find software supported like that?


I've become a Linux evangelist, not a Linux technophile who dabbles with this distro and then that, but someone who actively recruits disgruntled Windows users to give Linux a try. It's because of this distro, because of Tex and the loyal forum admins and developers, that I stayed with Linux at all. And they are the reason I promote it. I steer them all to PCLOS or load it on their machines myself.


If we want to pick nits, let's go do it with MacOS or Windows. And give attaboys and back slaps to anybody who is willing to build or use an open source OS.


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