Linus Torvalds Takes Aim at Proprietary Tech, and Apple

by Sam Dean - Nov. 18, 2011Comments (13)

Linux creator Linus Torvalds spoke at the LinuxCon Brazil event this week, and had some choice words for makers of proprietary technology, especially Apple and Microsoft. Mashable picked up this dig from Linus at these tech giants, regarding the much discussed secure boot feature that Microsoft is backing, which could lock Linux out of Windows 8 PCs: "“Technologies that lock things down tend to lose in the end. People want freedom and markets want freedom.” Torvalds compared secure boot to Apple's use of Digital Rights Management (DRM) technology. Notably, Torvalds had a decidedly anti-Apple stance in the comments.

Many times here  on OStatic, we've taken note of the fact that many fans of Linux and open source technology are also fans of Apple's products. Perhaps this correlation dates back to the Apple of old, but something about Apple's iconoclastic attitude fits well with open source mindsets.

These days, though, Apple has long since soared past Microsoft in market capitalization terms, and Apple is a tech giant that even Linus Torvalds feels fully comfortable trashing. The Cult of Mac blog picked up on Torvalds' anti-Apple comments at LinuxCon Brazil, and also picked up this quote from Davi Pires, with the Brazilian Ministry of Justice:

"When it comes to Apple, which does not allow people to use a different cable to connect your iPhone to your computer, it is hard to believe that the company refuses to meet a Brazilian law."

(Brazil has recently squared off with Apple over policies on iTunes.) Apple co-founder Steve Jobs delivered a defense of the company's tendency to deliver proprietary tools in Walter Isaacson's biography of him. He told Isaacson that "people are busy" and don't want to be bothered with incompatible products and products that don't just seamlessly work. “They’re busy doing whatever they do best," Jobs said "and they want us to do what we do best. Their lives are crowded; they have other things to do than think about how to integrate their computers and devices.”

It seems that that explanation is not good enough for Linus Torvalds.

 



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13 Comments
 

Steve Jobs is right- people are busy and we don't want to deal with integrating different devices. I completely agree with that. But both Microsoft and Apple take that compatibility and sell that to you as a feature while using compatibility against competitors (and therefore customers of competitors).


A great company innovates on features and Apple has done a lot of that. But if Steve really wanted to help busy people, the way Apple products interoperate would be set out as open standards. Any vendor would be able to provide cables, etc. I understand why Apple does that- it's a business. Just like Microsoft is a business. And to those that thought Apple was better than Microsoft, you're right. Apple is much better at market domination than Microsoft ever was. Yes I know Windows is still on more computers. But Apple owns its customers better than any company ever has before. See http://tuxrocket.com/archives/apps/1669


And so I spend a bit more time getting things to work together than I should have to.


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Apple is not a friend of FLOSS and it saddens me when FLOSS promoters buy Apple hardware and software. That said, it also saddens me that FLOSS can't get our act together to surpass Apple and make our stuff work seamlessly. But, FLOSS is an ecosystem, and no other business ecosystem works seamlessly either, without some up-front setup. FLOSS at least CAN be set up to work; Apple only works if the overlords allow it.


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"many fans of Linux and open source technology are also fans of Apple's products"


i'm yet to meet *one" such fan. you're full of it.

and this "article" is pointless.

give me back the minute of my life i spent here.


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@bozo, that's exactly what you are. I use Linux. Have been using it for almost a decade. And, I use a Mac. Have been using one since the Intel processor macs came out. And I'm not the only one. Stop trying to start a flame war. Frikkin' troll.


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Bozo needs a hug. Bozo also needs more friends who have a clue. +1 for Mac user using Linux.


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Would never use a Mac...too locked down and proprietary. Plus the UI/UX is terrible. I'd use Windows over OSX any day of the year.


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"Many times here on OStatic, we've taken note of the fact that many fans of Linux and open source technology are also fans of Apple's products."


What in the world are you on about? Free software fans utterly despise companies like Apple: they are exactly what brings people to the world of FOSS by taking proprietary software from just stricter licensing to an Ingsoc-esque attitude from pricks that feel that they should be able to tell you what you want to do. I disagree with Stallman, the GPL, and the FSF as a whole on their staunch attitude regarding licensing, but they are completely correct when they say Apple is the "enemy of your freedom."


Now, I know that Linux isn't all about freedom, and some projects like Ubuntu have seen great success by being lenient about proprietary software, but you have to be able to differentiate the real members of a group or demographic, and the trendy kids looking for the new thing to rave over.


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Im a Linux user and its not that I don't Linux Apple products, I just don't think I should have to pay such an enormous price for the same software when its free to download...


Seriously, Apple doesn't innovate anything different than what I have used for years with Linux. In fact, with some small code changes, its practicably the same software - minus all the DRM crap :-D.


My iPod touch connects just fine with Amarok and so did my iPhone - Until I got an Android that is :-)


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Forget Apple, Microsoft and, oh yeah, Google. Forget Dow, Exxon, J&J, & Wells Fargo. Forget supporting the oligopolies. I use Linux because it's free as in freedom and not because it's free as in beer. And while you're at it, occupy something.


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"we've taken note of the fact that many fans of Linux and open source technology are also fans of Apple's products."


This one sentence really irked me. Agree with the other posters who also pointed this out. Apple is the antithesis of what the Open Source crowd stands for. This is the same company that's supporting SOPA, that uses proprietary data as a means to hold users hostage, won't allow dragging data from iDevices to other machines but will institute cloud-storage to insure continued lock-in. Seriously... why the BS?


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Both companies make some good products, and sometimes provide some value. However, both are also monopoly-seeking corporate machines (Apple is almost worse than M$ now).


And in the case of M$, the stuff is notoriously hit-and-miss.


And I have no trouble with private enterprise, and paying a reasonable price for quality. When I find a Linux distro (or piece of software) that I like, I almost always donate to them by PayPal.


What I DO have a problem with ... is paying $700 for M$ Office, or some candy-colored Apple product.


Thanks, Linux, for giving us choice. And thanks, Linus.


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I hope M$ will lose in the end. It's not fair what they do. Thumbs down Microsoft!


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@BT "What I DO have a problem with ... is paying $700 for M$ Office, or some candy-colored Apple product"


Then get iWork (Pages, Numbers & Keynote). I can personally vouch for Keynote. It's easy to learn and is VASTLY superior to PowerPoint. And when converted to QuickTime, will run on Windows. You have to know what you are doing in that regard, however... I did my homework and got my presentation to run beautifully on a client's PC laptop, running Vista.


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@Dave Lyon "Any vendor would be able to provide cables, etc"


Do you mean vendors like OWC (Other World Computing), Newer Technology, etc?

I just took delivery of a NuPower battery for my PowerBook G4 15"

I could go on... Logitech Marble Mouse, Kensington Turbo Mouse, OWC Storage Drive. etc etc


It's just that you make it sound that everything you use with a Mac has to be Apple-branded.


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