Mandriva Will Not Abandon RPM 5
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Mandriva Will Not Abandon RPM 5
by Susan Linton - Jun. 28, 2012Comments (4)
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There have been some rumors floating around that Mandriva was going to abandon their transition to RPM 5, a fork of the original Red Hat Package Manager. Mandriva began moving to RPM 5 quite a while ago because it offers increased performance and added features. So today Per Øyvind Karlsen, Mandriva Project Leader, confirmed that Mandriva has no plans to abandon RPM 5.In a blog post today, Per Øyvind Karlsen said he needed to set some rumors to rest. The first one has already been settled, but Karlsen confirmed there were no plans to remerge the Mandriva and Mageia projects. Additionally, Karlsen also wishes to settle the ongoing discussion concerning RPM 5. He said "as the current project leader of Mandriva Linux and also as the main rpm developer for the distribution, I can safely put this rumour to rest right away." He's not sure where the rumor began, but Karlsen said he's very active in developing RPM 5 for Mandriva (and upstream) and he has no intentions of going back. He also said he knows for sure ROSA wouldn't abandon it either, since he also works for them as.Finally, Karlsen says he hopes folks will starting coming up with more original and interesting FUD from now on. He wonders, "Why aren't anyone speaking about our recent endorsements from David Hasselhoff??"
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by Raphael on Jun. 30, 2012Because increasing divergence through reliance on RPM5 (incompatible packages across distros) has a more direct impact on community than preaching, however entertaining or flattering it might be. If downstream distros are to use MDV as a base, RPM5 could only cause them trouble (adoption by them also unlikely, as it solves no real problem that couldnt have been adressed on RPM4).
Where is the community-led development, when RPM5 is this forcefully imposed on no merits other than because few decided not to change part of the reasons for MDV's demise as a distro?
by Per Øyvind Karlsen on Jul. 03, 2012what are the incompatibilities you speak of?
Ie. rpm in Mageia is more incompatible with rpm.org upstream than the rpm version in current cooker because most of the incompatibilites doesn't lie in the actual rpm implementation itself (although Mageia is carrying several patches from Mandriva and rpm5.org that's not part of rpm.org upstream which brings incompatibilities), but rather in the different helper scripts, macros, dependency generators etc. that tends to be implemented in different fashion between many distros, even despite newer and better upstream implementations has come to existence since.
Also the major reason for why switching toi rpm5 is because of it not being made possible to do this high level of development on rpm 4 and expect it to be merged anytime soon as rpm.org 'development is - and has always been - a "Red Hat show" with some individual contributions' (http://lwn.net/Articles/441297/).
And rpm5 isn't anywhere related to the difficulties experienced over the last year, which most people who's actually been involved with Mandriva during the time should be easily able to confirm.
Please back up your claims by some actual technical facts or some credible references, currently they're not anything more than plain FUD.
by devnet on Jul. 03, 2012No merits to rpm5? Dude, you're a troll if you think that's true. There are many merits to rpm5 and the biggest is this:
No reliance upon 2 companies controlling the direction rpm goes.
by Bernhard Rosenkränzer on Jul. 04, 2012There are loads of merits to rpm5.
True, there's nothing that can't be solved with rpm4 in some way. There's also nothing that can't be solved with something a lot simpler like tarballs combined with text file metadata in some way.
rpm5 is a major step ahead (definitely a bigger step than rpm3 to rpm4).
Mandriva packages can be a lot simpler (and with fewer potential points of failure) because of rpm5 (e.g. there's no more need for manual install-info invocations in every package containing an info file).
Also, people calling rpm5 a fork are rewriting history. rpm5 is the "real" rpm, rpm4 is a fork, and one done for all the wrong reasons too.
rpm has been maintained by Jeff Johnson for the last decade. When he stopped working at Red Hat, he continued working on rpm (rpm 5.x, that is). But Red Hat didn't like the fact that it was no longer under their control, so they created a "we don't like you anymore, we don't take your code" type fork.
I'd rather trust the guy who made rpm what it is than a company that primarily serves its own financial interest.
(I don't have any gripes with the maintainer of the rpm 4.x branch by the way. He's doing his job (and can be expected to stop doing it when he changes employers), he's doing it fairly well, and forking wasn't his idea.)
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