Responding Sanely to Sexism in FOSS

by Lisa Hoover - Oct. 14, 2009Comments (15)

I've been watching the latest kerfuffle about sexism in the FOSS community with a combination of concern and dismay. Concern, because it's an issue I care deeply about and dismay because both sides are so busy screaming at each other, no one is stopping to listen. Instead of bickering, where are the actionable steps people can take to educate each other about how to get along in a community where everyone's end goal -- the advancement of free software -- is ultimately the same?

Although I do not work in the FOSS development community, my profession gives me the opportunity to observe its ecosystem from a broader standpoint and I've been watching this issue evolve from both sides. That said, as a card-carrying member of the larger geek community, I have been been on the receiving end of sexist remarks about my advanced technical aptitude that have left me literally speechless.

Outside of the FOSS community, I'm intimately familiar with sexism, misogynistic behavior, and the alpha-male personality as a whole. I used to work as a firefighter/paramedic in the midwest and, in case women in FOSS think they have the market cornered in exposure to sexist and obnoxious behavior, let me assure you it's alive and well in many other professions.

I loved being a firefighter and it was family obligations that caused me to return to my writing roots, not the sexist atmosphere. In fact, I learned quite a lot from working in that environment and had very candid, open conversations with many of my colleagues to help me understand the situation and my role in what I could do to improve it.

With the extended exposure I've had to working in professions that seem to exude more than a whiff of sexism, I've learned a thing or two more about the issue and what women can do to help change things for the better. The number one thing I discovered is that most men are just as flummoxed about how to conduct themselves when a woman turns up in a male-dominated environment as women are to be there in the first place.

I'm going to say something very unpopular, but at least give the thought some consideration before unleashing the pitchfork-weilding angry mob. Women need to stand down a little and stop getting so bent out of shape over every damn comment someone makes. Meshing genders in a collaborative environment like FOSS is a work-in-progress and it's not a well-oiled machine just yet. Taking physical intimidation or abuse out of the equation, I'm a firm believer that taking umbrage at every perceived slight is not the way to change things. Instead, it's helpful to take a look at the motivation behind the comments we don't like.

People who make sexist remarks fall into one of two categories: social clods or bullies. Neither deserves a free pass, but berating either type of offender accomplishes nothing, and here's why.

Let's start with the social clod who tells a woman that her presence at a FOSS conference "really dresses up the place." Chances are, the guy honestly meant it as a compliment and no offense was intended. Sure, it's hard to be noticed for something superficial instead of important skills you worked hard to cultivate, but that doesn't detract from the intent of the comment -- it was intended as a compliment. There's no harm in tactfully responding that you're there to contribute your skills to the community but jumping down someone's throat for an innocent mistake achieves little, if anything.

Bullies, on the other hand, require a different approach. These are the types of community members who delight in making derogatory remarks to prove themselves. Pay careful attention the next time you meet someone like this because you'll probably discover they're just as obnoxious to the other men around them, just in different ways. I've yet to meet a person who was openly misogynistic who wasn't also equally as off-putting to most men, but for other reasons. A tool is a tool. The proper response to these types of situations is «em»not«/em» to flip out and "show them what-for." You'll simply confirm their twisted beliefs and give them more ammunition. Don't engage these people. It's schoolyard-bullying 101, but you grew up and they didn't so be the bigger person and walk away.

Before anyone jumps all over me for suggesting women "just accept things the way they are," or run away instead of standing your ground, let me assure you that I am not saying that. Instead I'm recommending two things.

First, consider each interaction and respond accordingly. Don't just decide that from now on anytime you feel you've been a victim of sexism you're going to let the offender have it with both barrels. Instead, assess each situation individually and decide what approach is likely to have the most effect. Being kind -- or at least neutral -- to someone who offends you is not a form of weakness, it's a form of humanity and class.

Second, aim to change a single person at a time, not an entire group. Find positive ways to effect change instead of flipping the hell out every time someone makes a slip of the tongue. Not every sling and arrow is designed to demean an entire class of humans on this planet. Sometimes people have off days. Sometimes people make genuine mistakes.

The bottom line is that no one should ever have to be humiliated, degraded, or condescended to in any social situation. The fact is, however, not everyone has the social graces and manners that it takes to avoid clumsy remarks. Then there are those that do have the ability and choose not to exercise self-restraint. Each requires a different response, and full-bore anger isn't appropriate for either one.

I'll never enjoy being handed a sexist remark in any setting, no matter what the intent. I don't think every situation should be turned into a crusade, though. It's a touchy situation for everyone, I get that. But that's all the more reason that we should think long and hard about the way we respond.

I am heartened at the amount of men in the FOSS community who consistently weigh in against sexism and actively stomp on those who give women a hard time. I think they deserve a lot of credit and are a great resource for helping us determine the best way to minimize misogynistic behavior within the community. Listen to them, they can and want to help, so let them.

Sexism in FOSS is not new news. I don't know when it will meet its long-overdue demise, but I do know it will happen eventually. It's going to take a long time and a lot of patience to turn this ship around but the willingness is there, I can see it in both genders within this community. Total acceptance won't happen overnight, but women are a lot more accepted now than they were in our grandparent's generation. Our daughters and granddaughters have a lot more acceptance to look forward to. Lets not cannibalize each other while we wait.



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15 Comments
 

I don't really recognize the criticism, to be honest. Few people on either side are yelling at each other, which is one of the nice things about the debate. You suggest being 'kind or neutral' to people who make mistakes. As far as I can see, most everyone involved has been bending over backwards to be exactly that where recent incidents have been concerned.


And: "Women need to stand down a little and stop getting so bent out of shape over every damn comment someone makes." - that just isn't happening, so far as I can see. The Geek Feminism blog around which a lot of the latest brouhaha centred is not a list of icky incidents:


http://geekfeminism.org/


as is fairly obvious if you just read it. The commonly-referred to 'timeline of incidents':


http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents


is nowhere *close* to comprehensive.


Incidents that are highlighted are generally particularly egregious or high-profile ones. The most recent one involving Mark Shuttleworth was worthy of note because...it involved Mark Shuttleworth. If the same comment had been made by a less prominent community member in a less prominent venue, it would likely have gone unremarked.


AW


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I've seen discussions of several high-profile blowups, but those haven't been because of well-intended but dumbassed comments. They've been about things like a high-profile gaming company giving away a "booth babe" (jeebus) as a contest prize as if she were an iPod, and they've been about things like so-called technical talks at conferences with insane amounts of explicit sexual content. These aren't trivial things.


I'm somewhat older and come from OS internals-land, where it used to be fashionable to be feminist and fashionable to be, if not gay, then at least homo-friendly. I've been extremely disappointed by backsliding towards increased sexism and increased homophobia in the younger, applications-oriented community, and I'm not much appreciating the "get a grip" tag on this post.


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this "new round" of sexism discussion in the FOSS world was started with somebody calling out RMS to apologize for sexist comments he made in a joke he's been making since the beginning of time. It was primarily used to undermine him personally and what he is standing for.


sexist in the FOSS world is a problem that needs to be addressed. In its current form, its is used as a political ball to undermine people who make such comments for political end


Take away the friction btw Free software people and the open source people and we will have a discussion that will be meaningful ..


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What industries exist without sexism in some form? What technical industry is known to exist without sexism? Why the focus on FOSS?


The great thing is that folks in our community do tend to be a bit more opinionated in willing to speak out. The women will not be 'silenced', particularly for us - as the intellectualism will surely attract the most stubborn!


So pave the way ladies and help us set an example, but lets not make it entirely un-fun...deal?


The elders must understand their responsibility in setting a good example and admonishing the ruffian twits that would see to it that no women dare join our dialogs and engineering efforts.


And an appeal to logic... there are more women in college now than there are men. Is there any possible benefit to not going out of our way to ensure that this majority of folks in higher education know that they are welcomed in all aspects of FOSS?


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Nice way to minimize and dismiss legitimate concerns. Mark Shuttleworth's "slip of the tongue" slipped repeatedly throughout his talk, and many people-- including men, if that helps make it more credible for you-- were bothered by the sexist and exclusionary tone throughout. He has refused to discuss it with reporters or anyone else, and refused to apologize. Yeah, and we who are calling him on his bad behavior are the bad people here. When people make genuine mistakes the correct thing to do is say "I'm sorry" and try to do better, not evade responsibility.


RMS has been using that stupid 'deflowing virgin Emacs' crud for years and finally gets called on that. Does he apologize? Of course not, we're just dumb women.


Have patience? Why? Because of your unwillingness to face the issue yourself? Maybe it's something that doesn't affect you personally-- good. Your telling everyone else to not be bothered-- bad. It is not going to get better as long this crazy cult of denial persists.


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BTW your characterization of both sides as 'screaming at each other' is incorrect. You're throwing the blame back on the people with a legitimate compliant. The denial cultists are very loud and irrational, and do not want to listen, and shout everyone else down. The core issue is very simple: many many women have experienced sexist, hostile behavior in FOSS. It is a problem. We want it to not be a problem. Apparently a lot of people find this to be unacceptable and don't want to hear it, and go to great lengths to make it go away. Everything except trying to treat women better.


You should read this, it has a sarcastic tone which can be a offputting, but aside from that it is a goldmine for recognizing what's really going on.

http://www.derailingfordummies.com/

http://www.derailingfordummies.com/


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That ("Derailing for Dummies") is *awesome*.


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Can we all just get back to talking about open source? Applications, device drivers, all of the cool places Linux is ending up these days, etc. It's open source that is the common thread that brought us all here. Lets celebrate it.


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What technical industry is known to exist without sexism? Why the focus on FOSS?


Because we are leaders and also because in our industry as a whole women are so poorly represented. That freedom thing, it applies to both sexes and all races, right?


How can we claim to be a clever industry when the smartest half of our population is missing?


So come on, lets' collectively, and collaboratively, show some leadership.


Cheers

Don


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It seems... that the women's rights activists... have procured the deletion of most of my free/opensource software and media work from sourceforge.


As I said previously (in an "open letter" to them): women's rights activists conquer an industry by collecting non-essential and non-active administrative roles in an industry and pushing-out/banning/bringing-sanctions-upon active men who do not obey their orders and do not toe their idealogical line.


The geek feminists who have targeted the men involved in the free software movement either use their administrative positions to outright ban anti-women's-rights-men from participating in opensource collaboration, or they use their personal connections with sympathetic male admins to have those anti-feminist men banned from the opensource project hosts or websites that the geek feminists don't admin themselves. If none of that works they attempt to involve the criminal legal system to remove those men from society (The geek feminists who have attached themselves to the opensource movement have been trying to procure my arrest for some time; for years.)


The geek feminists have had my GPL released perl programs (GPC-Slots 2, RPG1, etc, etc), my GPL released 3d Nexuiz maps (yes all ~40 of them), and my GPL and BSD released textures, deleted from sourceforge (and every other server they could find that hosts them.) They had these deleted because they do not want anything of mine to reach the public, because I am opposed to women's rights and that offends them. They wish to set an example that resonates in the mind of every man that is involved in the free software movement.


To build those 40 maps for nexuiz it took me about three years of continious and constant effort. It was almost like a full time job. Now they have been deleted from the opensource repository (sourceforge) and are mostly unavailable. The same goes for the rest of the things I released under the GPL, especially the perl terminal games, I don't know any other place that they were hosted.


What have the geek feminists released for the free software community? You tell me. I see that they package, bug hunt, and call for the exclusion of belligerent men from the free/opensource software community. Such is not a large contribution to free software: it is more a smoke screen of legitimacy (the ancillary tasks of bug hunting, packaging) under which to forward their goal (the removal and exclusion of anti-feminist men from the free software collaboration.) The free/opensource world is another land to conqure for womankind. Another place where men are NOT YET subject to the demands and requirements that women have placed upon polite society... but which soon will be.


How can men change this? How can men fight this exclusion? We cannot. We can only obey them: as long as they are able they and sympathetic men will collect non-essential but power-bearing administrative positions in whatever organizations happen to exist, they will appeal to the "white knight" that exists in many a lonely geek admin to vanquish evil "bad men" and save the poor innocent female feminists*. It will always be seen as good to delete a man's contribution to the free and opensource world as a means to tell all the other men who wish to contribute where the "boundaries" of "acceptable social discourse" lie.


It seems that, in history, the only societies that were ever in existance that were able to contain this behavior of women (that of causing productive men to be thrown out of their industries, ejected from their jobs, and imprisoned for not supporting women's rights or whatever it is that the women demanded) are those socieites that violently destroyed those non-productive women who indulged in said exclusionary and anti-industrious behavior against men. It seems that the only way men have ever found to contain women's rights (or women's supremacy) movements was the application of hard power against the imposition of the "soft power" that the women's rights activists utilise. We are not such a society and that is why there is not one mile of unconquered territory that the banner of feminism has yet to fly over in the western world.


The geek feminists do not want more people to contribute to the free/opensource world. They want more women involved in its administration and process (more women in control.) They would be happy with less men being around in this "industry" and have, in the case at hand, pursued the ejectement of one of that class and the removal of his (my) free/opensource work from availability on the internet. That's the same thing they have in-store for any man that does not obey their demands or who speaks against their held beliefs. You obey or you are gone. Does that sound like a good deal to you, men of the free software world? Do you want to have to obey the geek feminists; the administratrixs of the "community"?


*Note, these women also publically proclaim they don't want anything (romantically or sexually) to do with the men of the opensource world. The white knights are not acting logically.


http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/ROSE-Blog-Rikki-s-Open-Source...


http://whatwillweuse.com/2009/10/13/not-in-my-neighborhood-mikeeusa-remo...


Death To women's Rights.

Viva Men's Liberties.

Liberty (for Men). Equality (amongst Men). Fraternity


--MikeeUSA--


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I wholeheartedly agree with this post. People, in general, need to get a grip. IMNSHO this whole political correctness thing needs to go away, because it's making people overly sensitive. There will always be people that will be offended by stuff, regardless of how PC you are. (This counts the same for sexism as racism, nationalism and any other discrimination isms)


Personally I don't even try to be politically correct and I treat every person the same. When this leads to someone being offended, I'll apologize for making him/her/it feel that way and explain that I didn't mean anything by it.


Having been teased vigorously all of my childhood, I know how words can hurt, but if you take them less seriously you'll be happier...


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Hey anonymous (WTF? Nice) - you might have a point about words just being words if, say, there was even approximate gender parity in tech jobs. This isn't about being "teased." Way to trivialize systematic disenfranchisement.


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"...started with somebody calling out RMS to apologize for sexist comments he made in a joke he's been making since the beginning of time. It was primarily used to undermine him personally and what he is standing for. "


Actually, it was a number of people "calling out RMS", or at least his extremely poor and inappropriate excuse for "harmless fun": myself, Celeste Lyn Paul, Matt Zimmerman, Matthew Garrett, André Klapper, Sandy Armstrong, Chani Armitage.... None of the commentary I saw was aimed at "undermining him personally"—please provide a citation, if you feel otherwise. And if he's been making that "joke" "since the beginning of time", it's an incredible shame that no one had anything to say about it before now.


"What technical industry is known to exist without sexism? Why the focus on FOSS?"


Because the situation in the community is literally an order of magnitude _worse_. The representation of women in proprietary development is on the order of 20%—this gibes with my experience in a decade of working at Apple, where a quarter of the engineers I managed were women. In the "free" software community, the representation is under 2%.


Additionally, there's a "focus on FOSS" because _that's our community_.


Amazing that one has to explain these things.


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Reading Mikeeeeeee's post, it occurred to me that it's possible that there's this disparity between the representation of women on the proprietary side and representation of women in the FOSS movement because if people like him said crap like that in a company of any size they'd be disciplined, so those environments tend to be less hostile to women.


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Melinda, you're right. They're forced to be more disciplined because if you try to pull that crap in the business world you'll be covered in law suits in no time.


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