UEFI Won't Trouble Linux Users Much

by Susan Linton - Nov. 15, 2011Comments (9)

LinuxWhen the UEFI revelation hit the fan a couple of months ago I wrote my opinion of the situation in a dead-tree magazine for which I work. I basically said that some OEMs will not include the toggle but most quality motherboards will. We Linux users just won't buy any motherboard without the UEFI on / off option. But a reader wrote to say that may be true, but what about the prospective user that bought his computer off the shelf of Best Buys or Office Depot?

This reader, let's call him Bob, said those possible users will be locked out of trying Linux and seeing if they like it by UEFI and that would be a disaster. He feels that UEFI will be an insurmountable obstacle. His conclusion is that "the Linux user base would be more or less frozen as it is now, or it would even contract as its users pass on or pass away. I am no Linux evangelist, but I do want Linux to retain or increase momentum, enough for example to encourage hardware makers to write drivers, and to keep an active Linux community."

Bob makes a valid argument, one with which I can't argue. From that angle UEFI can be damaging. Top players in our Open world are working on solutions, but many ideas require OEMs to willingly participate. This will most likely not happen for a couple of reasons. First, OEMs rarely count on Linux users for any real revenue, but highly depend upon Microsoft. They can not and will not slam the door in Redmond's face by refusing to implement UEFI. Secondly, it's possible but doubtful many will spend the money to make sure their crippled BIOSs contain the disabling option. Linux just doesn't have the numbers. However, quality manufacturers will include the option and will probably list it in their selling points.

If worse comes to worst, UEFI will be on most pre-built off-the-shelf lower cost machines. Linux advocates will be stuck telling a few folks that "no, Linux will not run on your computer." Other braver souls will download and burn Linux only to discover it doesn't work with their machine and will tell all their friends that "Linux sucks! It won't even boot."

My point in my opinion was that Linux users won't be bothered by it much, but Bob's point was that many prospective users will.  We're both right.  I was trying to see the glass half full, but as commonly happens, my half of glass of milk was dumped out all over my keyboard.

But I don't cry over spilled milk.



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9 Comments
 

Are you mistaking UEFI for the secure boot mechanism? A machine with a UEFI BIOS is able to boot Linux just fine. Ex. Macbook's, Fedore has build-in support for UEFI and there is a GRUB2 EFI module for bootloading!


/K


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"Secondly, it's possible but doubtful many will spend the money to make sure their crippled BIOSs contain the disabling option. "


It seems to me that it will require additional time and effort (money) for OEMs to remove the disabling option as the BIOS will ship to the OEMs from Award and AMI with this option (i.e. will not be something coded and created by the OEMs but by the BIOS manufacturer.) In other words, it would seem to be less costly for the OEMs to leave the disabling option in. However, this is speculation on both of our parts.


Kind Regards,


stlouisubntu


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This makes me think of the drama that goes on with carriers imposing locks on certain portions of the Android system. Until users demand the benefits of having control over their own system, it will keep going on.

I think the solution is to make Linux more simply-installed. WUBI is brilliant. One-step Android s-off is brilliant. If these things go away, "trial-level" users will cease trying.


For computers: Tianocore is one solution.

http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/tianocore/index.php?title=Welcome


I got into Linux by dinking around on an old netbook that was too slow for Windows. Informal trial use is where many long-term users come from (not from people who want to buy a new "Linux compatible" computer). Linux is a second thought, then they get hooked. :)


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Susan, the first anon is correct: you're misleading your readers by simply saying 'UEFI'. 'UEFI' is the entire replacement for BIOS as the standard PC system firmware. It _will_ be coming to all PCs in future, that's just going to happen. UEFI itself is, broadly speaking, a fairly good thing - it's still got its share of hilarious borkage but overall slightly less than the old way of doing things.


It's the specific 'Secure Boot' feature of UEFI which is potentially problematic for Linux, not UEFI as a whole. Please talk about 'UEFI secure boot', not 'UEFI', to avoid confusing and misleading people.


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This whole UEFI problem is ridiculous. I will find out very quickly at which manufacturers to AVOID then, if they can't offer systems that can disable UEFI. I no longer build my own systems , I just don't have the time and I've found it cheaper to buy Dell and other systems.


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This article is wrong. I run fedora and windows on a pure uefi machine. All uefi is, is a standard for how to set up the computer layout as far as firmware and partitioning. EFI is like a better bios, and UEFI uses EFI boot with gpt partitioned drives. Is not difficult.


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" I just don't have the time and I've found it cheaper to buy Dell and other systems."


Buying a Dell or other system is not and never has been cheaper than building your own PC. I offered to build a co-worker an Intel i7 core computer for just the cost of the parts ( ironically he gave me an old Dell PC so I considered that the payment) and it would have cost him $700.00 for the specs he wanted, but he bought it through dell instead and paid $1249, so how is that cheaper? What makes you think Dell won't go to using UEFI motherboards?


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UEFI is a big trouble for GNU and Linux!


... if you even turn off UEFI it will run silently under your OS, and will provide environment for your OS, so your OS is trapped guest by UEFI server. As you can notice it is not good to have UEFI, that has direct access to hardware and network. For key-logger it's the perfect environment to be. Every place that security is prior they don't have UEFI. So ask yourself, BIOS already has possibility to boot from hdd bigger than 2TB. So what really UEFI brings it's just the new look, and heavy danger to being abuse, vulnerable by hardware and software author.


Ask yourself, do you want to be secure? If not, use UEFI otherwise use BIOS and independent OS.


BIOS should be replaced witch LinuxBIOS not UEFI, so don't forget about this incident, that hardware manufacturers hold LinuxBIOS!


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The on/off switch is about pseudo security (that does not work - don't remember its name) that UEFI serves, it is not to on/off the UEFI!


typo: BIOS should be replaced with LinuxBIOS not UEFI ...


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